Monday, July 08, 2019

Turn Poison into Medicine

There's a line of thought that's often called 'aesthetic theodicy'; it's usually associated with St. Augustine, although he is far from the only person to use the idea, and although he doesn't actually treat it as anything stand-alone. But we get something of the idea from the Confessions (Book VII, Chapter XIII), but perhaps most clearly in The City of God (Book XI, Chapter XVIII):

For God would never have created any, I do not say angel, but even man, whose future wickedness He foreknew, unless He had equally known to what uses in behalf of the good He could turn him, thus embellishing, the course of the ages, as it were an exquisite poem set off with antitheses. For what are called antitheses are among the most elegant of the ornaments of speech. They might be called in Latin "oppositions," or, to speak more accurately, "contrapositions;" but this word is not in common use among us, though the Latin, and indeed the languages of all nations, avail themselves of the same ornaments of style.... As, then, these oppositions of contraries lend beauty to the language, so the beauty of the course of this world is achieved by the opposition of contraries, arranged, as it were, by an eloquence not of words, but of things. This is quite plainly stated in the Book of Ecclesiasticus, in this way: "Good is set against evil, and life against death: so is the sinner against the godly. So look upon all the works of the Most High, and these are two and two, one against another."

We find a similar idea in Berkeley's Principles (sect. 152), using painting rather than poetry as the analogue. Today music is probably the most common analogue used. For most of the past sixty years, if you would find a book or article that would discuss it, you would usually find it disparaged, due in part to John Hick's discussion in Evil and the God of Love. (Philip Tallon's The Poetics of Evil seems to be the primary exception.) But rejecting it outright requires drawing a much sharper line between the aesthetic and the ethical than can usually be maintained, and the actual concepts involved, like overall harmony (pankalia), are definitely not solely aesthetic, anyway. Further, we ourselves regularly use broadly the same sort of 'aesthetic criteria' in order to decide how we will handle bad things, what we will tolerate, what we will support, what we will actively punish, and what we will merely discourage. In addition, while it's generally not restricted to such, it's almost always primarily deployed in discussing what has usually been called 'natural evil'; other concerns always take the forefront when talking about moral evil in particular.

In any case, this post is not so much about that; I was just reminded of it by the following fascinating clip from an interview with Herbie Hancock, discussing a time when he hit the wrong notes while playing with Miles Davis:

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nomenwithmenorwomenvoters
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2 years ago

31Do not look on the wine when it is red,
When it sparkles in the cup,
When it goes down smoothly;

  32At the last it bites like a serpent  
        And stings like a viper.

  33Your eyes will see strange things  
        And your mind will utter perverse things.

  34And you will be like one who lies down in the middle of the sea,  
        Or like one who lies down on the top of a mast.

  35“They struck me, but I did not become ill;  
        They beat me, but I did not know it.  
        When shall I awake?  
        I will seek another drink.”
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K. Auss
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2 years ago

They have far too little to do over there ............. 🤦‍♂️

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VALTIEL
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2 years ago

A bunch of animals fighting over which group of strangers is better at kicking a ball.

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Fastest
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2 years ago

Meanwhile the UK is run by an Indian, London has a muslim mayor, trannies promoted in schools and all the major cities will be brown in the next few decades and these fat fools are fighting over football.

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Jon Focker
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2 years ago

well said. plus its a lame soccer game.

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Rateye
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2 years ago

A white chimp out, now I've seen everything.

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johnfarmingdale
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2 years ago

Save your strength for the real war.

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Racewar2021
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2 years ago

Use the energy to oust every sh1tskins from the island.

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Buster000
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2 years ago

I've seen more carnage than this from parents at their childs soccer match

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nomenwithmenorwomenvoters
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2 years ago

from wiki
The Tenerife airport disaster occurred on 27 March 1977, when two Boeing 747 passenger jets collided on the runway at Los Rodeos Airport[1] (now Tenerife North Airport) on the Spanish island of Tenerife.[2][3] The collision occurred when KLM Flight 4805 initiated its takeoff run while Pan Am Flight 1736 was still on the runway. The impact and resulting fire killed everyone on board KLM 4805 and most of the occupants of Pan Am 1736, with only 61 survivors in the front section of the aircraft.[2][3] Resulting in 583 fatalities, the disaster is the deadliest accident in aviation history.

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Buster000
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2 years ago

huh ?

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nomenwithmenorwomenvoters
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2 years ago

and to think they could be using all this energy to get the Muzzy’s.

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Buster000
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2 years ago

or solve world hunger

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Alan
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2 years ago

All the real crap going down, and they fight each other, over a game?

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Crippled by UK State goons
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2 years ago

Maybe it`s training for if ever the Germans get organized again.

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nomenwithmenorwomenvoters
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2 years ago

is that the island where the worst airplane accident in history happened?

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Deploradorable
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2 years ago

I don't think anybody is getting hurt. They all hit like a girl.

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Jon Focker
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2 years ago

crazy baldheads

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tarnpir lane
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2 years ago

Muslim grooming gangs raping your children...nothing done. A soccer game where you haven't even played each other yet...punch on. Sounds logical.